Hans Joachim Watzke and Dirk Zingler: “Unfortunately, we have the worst example on our doorstep”

Dhe greeting is warm. Hans-Joachim Watzke, the managing director of Borussia Dortmund, and Dirk Zingler, the president of Union Berlin, appreciate each other very much. You are known for your frankness and your clear attitude. This is also evident in our interview in a restaurant on the outskirts of Dortmund.